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Post by Youngster Joey on Mar 20, 2012 14:33:28 GMT -5
...I don't think anyone in general ever wants to have depression?
Pessimists don't fare well with depression, that much I can say. Depression isn't really as much about the neurotransmitter levels as it is the thought process, in my opinion, and pessimists have just the sort of natural thought process to invite the disorder. Negative thought processes make it easy to fall into depression, and then you think yourself into a deeper misery once you really are depressed. It becomes very, very, very difficult to climb back out and see the light again.
I guess that's why I've always been skeptical of medication, aside from the fact that antidepressants never worked for me at all. You can artificially lift serotonin and dopamine levels, but unless you change the negative thinking patterns, you're not going to escape depression.
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Post by supersonic1453 on Mar 20, 2012 16:43:36 GMT -5
I wonder if that has to do with depression. I never used to be able to remember my dreams, either, but I remember them all the time now that I'm not depressed anymore. I dunno. I've never been able to remember my dreams much. Extremely rare occasion when I do.
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Post by Hiro the Half-Elf on Mar 20, 2012 16:59:11 GMT -5
Medicine's been working out pretty well for me. I think it varies on a case-by-case basis. For some cases, such as yours, it's not much about the neurotransmitters, but in others, such as mine, it is.
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Post by Youngster Joey on Mar 20, 2012 17:29:20 GMT -5
Don't get me wrong; I'm sure for people who can actually produce the enzymes to process antidepressants (I cannot because of gene deletions), it's a godsend.
I think I didn't articulate as clearly as I had wanted in the previous post, though. I'm not saying depression can't be caused by neurotransmitter levels. In most cases, it probably is caused by that. Hell, I'm pretty sure that's why I fell into depression. I mean, with no traumatic life events, what reason does a 9-year-old kid have to become suddenly morose and anhedonic? But negative thinking processes certainly help accelerate the onset and make it more difficult to recover.
And, no offense, Hiro, but thought process is a big part of it for you. It's a big part of it for anyone who has suffered depression for as long as you or I have. Long-term, deep depression always causes negative thinking patterns, even if you're not inclined to think that way normally. Just think of all the times a depressed person has probably turned down an opportunity to, say, hang out with people, erroneously thinking that people will find them boring or strange. They just contribute to their own feelings of emptiness and loneliness by needlessly limiting their interpersonal relationships.
That's why it's so important to catch depression so early--so many people who fall into depression just do. There's no rhyme or reason why; their neurotransmitter levels or their brain wiring or something just goes wrong. If you can artificially lift the neurotransmitters when the depression is still young, you're good to go, and you never get the opportunity to learn negative thinking patterns. People who suffer for years will benefit from medication, but they've already learned a way of thinking that they have to unlearn.
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Post by Hiro the Half-Elf on Mar 20, 2012 17:56:05 GMT -5
I don't really have the right words to express it right now, but all I can say is that your perspective on it doesn't resonate with me. I tend to agree with you, and you've got a pretty good perspective on mood disorders, but for some reason I just can't say I agree with you on this one.
There's really very little correlation between my thought processes and my emotional state.
It's very slightly dissociative.
...Mm, this hasn't been a very constructive post. Oh well.
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Post by Youngster Joey on Mar 20, 2012 18:43:36 GMT -5
Hm, well, to each their own, I suppose. Let me know if you ever do come up with the words to express it, though, since I'd like to hear it. I don't suppose there is anything that precludes the existence of different types of depression.
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Post by Latee Hatori on Mar 31, 2012 15:54:26 GMT -5
I had a really weird dream last night...Though I don't remember some parts well...
It started with an image of this huge weird twisted mix mash of several deer, rabbits, and wolves that seemed to be constantly eating each other. Then the style changes from slightly realistic/standard to anime and it cuts to a girl who is on a journey, though I can't remember the reason for it if there was one. She meets a few creatures similar to the first, but not near as big.
At some point it changes from anime 3rd pov to realistic first and the girl starts to follow a skinny gray cat. I can't really remember what happens next, but then it changes to a mixture of the first two styles as the girl encounters the thing from the beginning. They have some kind of conversation and it's discovered that that thing is that world's world tree. For some reason the "tree" grants her powers that I've forgotten and drops her off somewhere.
When she wakes up she at first panics though and other girl who was also given powers offers a forgotten explanation. During this the girl changes into a cat and the style changes to realistic. She finds she can walk on her hind legs easily. Another cut/blank and she comes across the gray cat again and to her surprise he starts to talk. He urges her to remember him, and she vaguely recognizes him as the cat who lead her to the world tree, but that's not the only time.......
And that's all I can remember. That has to be the longest and weirdest dream I can remember having. I think its a sign that I need to start getting to bed earlier.
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Post by Umbra on Apr 2, 2012 15:42:00 GMT -5
I had a dream last night where I walked up to my Japanese teacher and said "Watashi wa anata janai desu!" which means "I am not you!"
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Post by Hiro the Half-Elf on Apr 2, 2012 19:56:49 GMT -5
It's pretty rude to address your teacher that casually, isn't it?
Dream Umbra must be an anime character. Except, an anime character would have left off the desu because you don't need it for casual form.
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Post by Umbra on Apr 2, 2012 23:50:15 GMT -5
The things dream Umbra says puts him more into the category of psychopath.
Psychopathic anime character? That might be about right.
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Post by Youngster Joey on Apr 3, 2012 6:10:51 GMT -5
I had a dream I was taking care of children while trying to write an essay on Alice in Wonderland for anthropology. Unfortunately, the children turned into bubble-like creatures that floated away and died after bumping up against the pet porcupine.
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Post by Umbra on Apr 4, 2012 14:56:37 GMT -5
I had a dream I was in my friend's car (probably that new Audi he's been talking about) and well, let's just say F-zero happened.
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Post by Youngster Joey on Apr 11, 2012 20:48:30 GMT -5
I was at my old neighbor's house (except it was in my old house's kitchen), eating cereal out of two of their large tupperware containers. My mother got into a screaming match with my neighbor. We decided to leave, but I absolutely had to finish my cereal. There was no possible way I could leave without doing so, just out of principle. Finishing my cereal was just something I had to do. I couldn't exactly waltz out of their house with their tupperware containers, so I began slopping my cereal into their other tupperware containers, trying to find the best one to hide under my coat to bring back to my house. I went through many tupperware containers in my search, slobbishly leaving traces of my soggy cereal in each. I could not not finish my cereal. That just wouldn't be right! A waste of food! Of utmost importance!
It was a terrible dilemma.
How strange how such trivial things are so important in dreams.
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Post by sukotsuto on May 31, 2012 9:29:28 GMT -5
Bad dream I won't get into too much details, so I'll just say it starts with me seeing my date in this celebration in my grandpa's house, me looking for a cake for her for a long time, and it ends up with me running towards this big dude and throwing a flying kick. The dream ended before I was even able to land that flying kick :/
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Post by Hiro the Half-Elf on Jun 3, 2012 13:24:05 GMT -5
Had a really vivid dream a couple nights ago. For some reason, I had obtained evidence that a politician had done some wrongdoings, or some such thing (it was really minor, whatever it was), and this criminal organization wanted to keep it under wraps. So they sent a dragon to kill me.
Long story short, there was a dramatic chase sequence through a gigantic apartment skyscraper, more dragons and Cyborg Ninja Raiden were also sent after me after the first one failed.
Eventually I escaped from the building with my friends and we were on the run when we got surrounded by armed gunmen and I had to give up the evidence.
But the silly thing was that I had backed the whole thing up on Google Docs as soon as I got it!
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