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Post by sukotsuto on Sept 18, 2013 0:22:53 GMT -5
Which would you prefer? Cause without any effect? or Effect without any cause? I'll let that sink in for a bit before I say anything more about it
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Post by Youngster Joey on Sept 18, 2013 8:34:28 GMT -5
Depends on the situation. Am I getting a good consequence without having caused it? Or bad things happen to me without it being under my control? And am I trying to trying to accomplish something, only to have no effect?
I'm not sure which I would dislike more.
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Post by sukotsuto on Sept 18, 2013 15:06:52 GMT -5
To further explain this:
Cause without effect: You can have anything happen, but there will be no effect. It's like eating but it never satisfies or makes you feel like you ate something. The intended effect was to satisfy the hunger, which is eliminated. The good thing is that if someone hits you with a car, nothing will happen.
Effect without a cause: You can have nothing happen, but there will be an effect. It's like going from home, then next second, you're at school. The cause of riding all the way to school is eliminated to give the intended effect of being there. The bad thing is that a car doesn't have to drive towards you for it to hit you.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2013 13:48:02 GMT -5
I believe everything is determined by the hands of fate & destiny, but even fated event can never happens without some trigger that caused it in the first place....
So either way, I don't really mind.
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Post by Youngster Joey on Sept 19, 2013 16:04:10 GMT -5
Hm, I think attributing everything to fate or destiny is kind of depressing in a way. On one hand, it might be helpful if you're going through a really rough patch of your life and you're able to tell yourself, "I'm meant to suffer through this for something bigger at the end." But what if your life is generally pretty awful? It's kind of defeating to know that you're going to have a terrible life, and there's nothing you can do about it.
I dunno. I'd rather believe in free agency, even if it's really a fallacy. I want to know that I alone have the power to effect positive outcomes in my life. Otherwise, why bother living at all?
For anyone who might be interested, the psychologist Martin Seligman has done a lot of research on people's perception of control and depression. He pioneered the Learned Helplessness Theory, which postulates that when an animal or human is repeatedly exposed to adverse situations over which they have no control, they eventually give up and stop trying altogether. Then, when they're presented with a potentially adverse outcome later that they can prevent, they don't bother trying to avoid it because they figure there'll be no point anyway. It's one of the prevailing nonbiological theories about why people become and stay depressed.
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Post by Umbra on Sept 19, 2013 22:57:04 GMT -5
Cause without effect would be less favorable for me. Having nothing effect you is like having your senses cut off and hence would be like not living. On the one hand, it would be could to cause anything to happen, but without effect there is really no point to the whole game.
And so, if I had to choose, I would want effect without cause. I mean, that's what life pretty much is, right? Things seem to be randomly thrown your way and some things are just out of control--like weather, plate tectonics, meteorites. A person hit by any of these may find it too late to identify the cause.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2013 15:52:50 GMT -5
Hm, I think attributing everything to fate or destiny is kind of depressing in a way. On one hand, it might be helpful if you're going through a really rough patch of your life and you're able to tell yourself, "I'm meant to suffer through this for something bigger at the end." But what if your life is generally pretty awful? It's kind of defeating to know that you're going to have a terrible life, and there's nothing you can do about it. On the contrary I don't mind if this life of mine is terrible,because this life is only a bridge to what's after,I only work hard for that goal & that's what I live for,everything that I've done in my life falls to this....
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Post by Youngster Joey on Sept 20, 2013 16:05:17 GMT -5
But if it's all fated to happen anyway, does it actually matter whether you try hard? The end result will be the same.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2013 12:09:36 GMT -5
(I feel like returning to TotA logic)...
Fate can be comparative at some point, it is not absolute.
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