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Post by Youngster Joey on Jan 12, 2010 20:15:56 GMT -5
I don't know where Colette came into the conversation or even why, but I have to agree; I find Colette a pretty cliche character too. The whole "loves the hero, loved by everyone, super-nice, never sees the bad in anything" archetype is pretty old.
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Post by zerinerifes on Jan 12, 2010 20:50:07 GMT -5
I don't know where Colette came into the conversation or even why, but I have to agree; I find Colette a pretty cliche character too. The whole "loves the hero, loved by everyone, super-nice, never sees the bad in anything" archetype is pretty old. since one of my post in the page 2 and then yutalia said that she will tell me why collete dont suck at all
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Post by guyxlove on Jan 12, 2010 22:11:17 GMT -5
---POST DELETED--- EDIT: This is the first time I had to delete the contents of a post due to serious rule violations and I hope it won't be necessary for me to do it again. Please do not resort to flaming other members in the forum and using inappropriate language. For more information, please refer to the forum rules. This is sukotsuto speaking. And to everyone, let's all just get along. You opinion is different, his/her opinion is different, and let's just respect and leave it to that. We're all here to have a good time, and it's no fun if it gets too personal. And also, please listen to the mods, so as all topics go smoothly. Thank you
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Post by Youngster Joey on Jan 12, 2010 23:18:47 GMT -5
Uhhh, no offense, guyxlove, but I think that's a little over the top :X
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Post by Legacy on Jan 12, 2010 23:49:36 GMT -5
i think this thread should be locked..-walks off- >_< (just saying ._.) Agreed >:/ [very much so]. Its one thing to state opinions in a discussion thread about 2 differ matters, but its another to make the thread into an full fledged argument which should never be a case. Respect each other please. We're all entitled to our own opinions and liked or not, don't mock it or instill rudeness. We're all Tales fans here. [if only I still had my mod powers from Tales Brigade X3]
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Post by zerinerifes on Jan 13, 2010 0:13:12 GMT -5
i think this thread should be locked..-walks off- >_< (just saying ._.) Agreed >:/ [very much so]. Its one thing to state opinions in a discussion thread about 2 differ matters, but its another to make the thread into an full fledged argument which should never be a case. Respect each other please. We're all entitled to our own opinions and liked or not, don't mock it or instill rudeness. We're all Tales fans here. [if only I still had my mod powers from Tales Brigade X3]really i don get it ,why are you saying that, the tread is ok no one is trying to do a flame or troll welll except for the post of guylover something but those post i think are ignored or just lolzz'd but aside from that if at least you give the chance to check the post and not only make the analysis of the tread by the name and the topic ,MAYBE you will change your opinion and at least give a good opinion about the topic and not the tread itself . AND FOR GOD SAKE ITS A DISSCUSION FORUM that means we have to do some treadas to discuss in an adecuate maner i thougth that this forums were for discusion not only to say (insert tales name)RULZ 111111!!!!!!!seriously calm down
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Post by snoozysam on Jan 13, 2010 0:45:07 GMT -5
There's always a peaceful way to solve problems. Edit: By the way, since when did "Go kill yourself" become the new "I don't like you very much"? It kinda bothers me how it gets thrown around so easily.
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Post by zerinerifes on Jan 13, 2010 0:58:02 GMT -5
There's always a peaceful way to solve problems. yes but almost all of the users think that this is a flame/troll tread and it isn't that the case i mean why do they think that does abyssal chronicles have such bad users? that when someone opens a disscusion tread will be inevitabily a troll or a flamewar? idont think so, so please lets do what is have to do in a disscusion forum DISCUS
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Post by Cless Aileron on Jan 13, 2010 2:04:45 GMT -5
There's always a peaceful way to solve problems. yes but almost all of the users think that this is a flame/troll tread and it isn't that the case i mean why do they think that does abyssal chronicles have such bad users? that when someone opens a disscusion tread will be inevitabily a troll or a flamewar? idont think so, so please lets do what is have to do in a disscusion forum DISCUS Ummm...I started that, "Am I the only one that didn't think Abyss was all that" topic in the Tales of the Abyss section of the forum (which has the same potential of trouble), but everyone (including me, despite sounding frustrated in the topic starter) was more civilized about discussing it. There was only one person bashing me and we practically moved on from that bashing. I'm just saying right now. This topic is sounding more like it's difficult to even discuss it (and has already headed into the abyss).
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Post by zerinerifes on Jan 13, 2010 2:10:58 GMT -5
yes but almost all of the users think that this is a flame/troll tread and it isn't that the case i mean why do they think that does abyssal chronicles have such bad users? that when someone opens a disscusion tread will be inevitabily a troll or a flamewar? idont think so, so please lets do what is have to do in a disscusion forum DISCUS Ummm...I started that, "Am I the only one that didn't think Abyss was all that" topic in the Tales of the Abyss section of the forum (which has the same potential of trouble), but everyone (including me, despite sounding frustrated in the topic starter) was more civilized about discussing it. There was only one person bashing me and we practically moved on from that bashing. I'm just saying right now. This topic is sounding more like it's difficult to even discuss it (and has already headed into the abyss). yes but you werent comparing two tales games i think that , that is the most relevance between both treads anyway if the tread is a problem let it die
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Post by Cleo the Fangirl on Jan 13, 2010 3:56:46 GMT -5
Lazy energetic nobody is doing a flamewar on the tread just two users i think but nobody answered to them *cough* please read rule number 8. srsly. -- Mary..as much as I agree with you, you still shouldn't have said that..that was quote: a little over the top. (P.P.S.: Since I'm inactive, I hope no one will have a problem with my cursing? Ban me if you wish, I could CARE LESS lolol) jeez..you shouldn't have even posted. i know you're defending lauren but....really..you could've rephrased it. What you said was a bad move. ____ I do find Collete cliche, but i still love her very much though <3
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Post by sukotsuto on Jan 13, 2010 4:12:53 GMT -5
So as not to derail this topic, it's a tough choice, but I've had more playtime with Symphonia than I did with Vesperia, so I preferred Symphonia over Vesperia.
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Post by ღAdante Forma on Jan 13, 2010 5:57:41 GMT -5
The reason this thread is sorry excuse for a dicussion is because there's sharing opinions, and there's deconstructing and discrediting that of others.
I'm pretty sure I just bombed my psychology test and I'm not really in the mood to deal with this a second time, so I'll just say this: In order to share opinions and opena forum of discussion, share your own opinions and don't use your own standards or interpretations to attack the opinions of others. That goes for all of us.
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Post by guyxlove on Jan 13, 2010 9:29:11 GMT -5
I WILL DO WHATEVER I WANT FOR I AM NOT ACTIVE ON HERE ANYMORE. I could care less if you banned me lolololol I R TROLL 4 U. "what you said is a bad move" Like I care? Lmao. I do everything for teh lulz and by teh lulz. SOOOO Yeah. When was the last time ANY of you saw me post on this forum? I do it when I feel like it. So don't tell ME what's over the top and what is not.
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Post by xtsukimoonx on Jan 13, 2010 9:51:48 GMT -5
Wow, um, ok reading all this really kind of makes me mad. Zerinerifes, you put this up to have a discussion on which game is better. From everything that I've read you took EVERYONE'S opinion on Vesperia and completely bashed them to pieces for no good reason. You wanted peoples opinions, right? So don't go bashing them. And don't say "No I wasn't, go read what I wrote" because I did, and so did everyone else. If you're going to take people's personal opinions and destroy them because you're some kind of Symphonia elitist then you don't belong here. You aren't a true Tales of fan.
I would also prefer if you DIDN'T harass Lauren (Purplewolfstar) because she happens to be my best friend, and I think she was right in everything she said to you, if I were her I would have torn you apart for what you said to me. She argued back with you on your points because you're the one who picked everything she said apart and refuted everything she stated. That was extremely rude and not necessary. Half of your arguments were wrong and when Lauren argued your terrible points you just restated them. Just saying the same thing twice is not going to make it anymore true.
I'd also like to say that Colette happens to be my favorite Tales of character. She is not cliched in the least. Sure she's clumsy but that doesn't spell out "cliched" automatically. Yes she gets kidnapped, yes she's the heroine but NO she does not get "almost raped every two seconds". Did you ever once see any form of sex in Symphonia? Because if you did you were playing the wrong game, there was not once any sign of Colette being raped or sexually harmed in any way, so I don't see why you keep bringing up that she was "raped" when she wasn't. She doesn't happen to be the typical heroine because she becomes completely mute, can't taste, hear, feel, or smell. Then she begins to TURN into an exsphere, that's hardly typical. Yes she loves Lloyd, but so what? The world hates her and thinks she's a terrible person for not going through with the prophecy, when have you ever seen that?
And on Estelle being cliche... is there something wrong with you? You have to FIGHT her, I have NEVER in my entire career of a gamer fought the heroine of the game. How in gods name you saw THAT as cliche I will never know. She was trapped in her castle almost all of her life, she is the "insipid poison" to the world and will do anything to save it. She's a lot stronger than most typical heroines so I really, really don't get how you saw her as cliched.
Now, I personally love Vesperia to pieces. At first, I didn't like it as much and thought Symphonia was better, but as I began to get into the game and start to feel connected to the characters and their personalities I began to love Vesperia so much more. Sure the third act is a liiiittle rushed and you'd have to play side quests to understand the full story but I think that's what makes Vesperia unique to the other games, otherwise it'd just be a repeat of the same plot line and that's just boring. All of the characters had their own little quirks and I personally could connect to all of them. In Symphonia I could only connect with Colette, because I'm a lot like her. Blue eyes, blond hair, complete klutz. But in Vesperia I can connect a part of someone I know to each character, even Estelle because I know someone who would die for the people she loves.
I LOVE the Vesperia OST, it's just great. The Symphonia one was ok but... eh... it could have been a whole lot better. And I prefer Vesperia's opening SO much more because I HATE Symphonia's opening. It just sucks. So very much.
All of Vesperia was original. The Entelexia, Zagi, Blastia, just everything. And before you say "Exsperes are like Blastia lolz" no. They aren't. Exspheres are created by absorbing the life of a human until they die and then attaching it to a person using a crest. If you don't attach it right that person turns into a monster. If you do attach it right you can't remove it until there's a crest on it otherwise they turn into a monster and if there isn't a crest on the exsphere then the persons personality is affected greatly, just look at Presea. Now, Blastia, are created by using a formula (which Exspheres do not have) and can only work if there is a core in them. Exspheres can work without crests, and do not absolutely need them. Blastia NEED cores or they're worthless. Blastia can't affect your personality, they can't turn you into a monster, they can't kill you unless someone puts it into a weapon and kills you with it or someone picks up a Blastia and beats you death. Blastia are sucking the Aer from the world and destroying it and unless you alter its formula like Rita did with Estelle's power then it won't use your life force at all.
Exspheres don't destroy the world, Exspheres kill to be alive, Exspheres can turn you into monsters, Exspheres can alter your personality, Esxpheres will need crests if you don't want any ill effects, Exspheres don't destroy the world.
Blasta sucks the Aer from the world which destroys it, Blastia need cores to work at all, Blastia can't hurt you, Blastia can't kill you unless the two methods listed above are used, Blastia can't alter your personality.
I dunno... that doesn't look anything alike to me. Well I have to go to school now. So. Bye all.
And don't even bother trying to refute my opinions, because you won't do a good job of it, and you won't change my mind. So just quietly admit that everyone is entitled to their opinions. Good day.
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